Just as a lot of the participants work on writing their stories, learning the tricks of using their blogs, commenting on each other’s work and reading each other’s drafts happens between the workshops – a lot of mine and Elaine’s work in thinking about and developing the project happens on the telephone, over late night emails or cups of tea first thing on Thursday mornings while we’re waiting for the others to arrive!

Linking t'Egypt and Birkenhead on Doreen's blog
One of the best things about a writer and an artist working together is the different perspectives we have, and the way we’re working to combine our own experiences and specialities with the workshop experiences and the participants input to create a truly collaborative finished project. Here’s a conversation we had this week, about how the project had developed, what we’ve learned as creative practioners and how we’re envisioning the end stage of the project.
Elaine: As you described in your previous diary post, something seemed to click during the last workshop and everyone really got to grips with the blogs. Unsurprisingly it’s been a difficult process. Whilst online tools such as blogs and social networking sites are the territory of today’s digital natives – children who have grown up never knowing what pre-internet life was like – for those who have come to these things later in life (and as someone whose first internet experience was at age 18, I count myself within this group), attempting to get to grips with the online world can be difficult. I really think that lack of confidence is one of the main contributors to what is often called the digital divide – the gap which exists between those who do and do not have access to the internet.
Jenn: I’ve noticed that too. Sometimes providing access just isn’t enough. As a former public librarian I know that almost everyone has, or

Photos of Rock Park on Louise's blog
can arrange, access to reasonable speed internet within a short journey from their home. People can get at computers, but what I’ve noticed is that confidence is the main issue. Some of the conversations we’ve had during the computer element of the workshop have been really eye-opening in revealing how essential being able to join on-line communities are, and how disenfranchised individuals can be if they don’t have the tools or the confidence to join their communities. Their voices – their stories – just don’t get heard.
Elaine: Exactly, the problem is that, even if access to the internet is available, if people don’t have the experience, and thus the confidence to use it, it may as well not be there. One of the things about working online is that it can be incredibly frustrating. No matter what you are trying to do, whether it is posting a blog entry, building a website or even sending an e-mail, at some point something will inevitably go wrong and you will have no idea what it is.
My boyfriend once told me that his Grandad, who is a 97 year old former RAF engineer had said that there was a time that he understood

Mapping on Rob's blog
the working of every single piece of technology that he came across, but now he hasn’t got a clue. As things have become digital it’s difficult, without sophisticated programming knowledge, to really understand what’s going on – why your blog post refuses to appear or the photo you’ve spent the last hour trying to upload won’t go in the position you want it.
The important thing to remember is that this is the nature of the medium and everyone experiences the same frustrations. Making it work is just a case of being stubborn and going through the process step by step – making sure that you’ve spelt things correctly, selected the correct options, clicked the right buttons etc.

A murder mystery map on Dot's blog
Jenn: You’re making me think of Dot, who really worked hard to overcome all kinds of computer glitches with her accounts getting locked out, and was really patient in being able to wait for us to help her get these things fixed. Or Doreen, who wasn’t keen on blogging at all, but once she found her confidence and was able to enlist a bit of help from her son, started really getting into the project and is now blogging away like a professional!
Even the workshop members who had blogged before, like Keith and Jensen – and me, it has to be said – got to try out new things, like the geo-mapping, uploading film, working with images and voice-over. Everyone’s been able to make a bit of progress, and I like to think that the discoveries haven’t all been about using the computers either. Jensen’s got an absolutley natural gift as a teacher, and it would be great to see him go on and do something with that as a result of this workshop.
Elaine: I think that the blogs have really added to the project though. When I first started developing this project I wasn’t sure what internet application I would focus on. All I knew was that I wanted to see how the internet could be used to encourage people to think about specific places in a creative way.
It was through talking to you, Jenn that I began thinking about the use of blogs as, for you, they seem to offer a number of benefits in terms

geolocation on Jensen's blog
of visibility and publishing. I have to admit that I was a bit nervous though about how well the blogging aspect of the project would work, and how relevant it would be to the main aim of the project, which is to develop new stories about specific places on the Wirral.
Jenn: I was wondering if you were a bit nervous about that! I must admit, I was a little worried myself, becasue really we were doing two
things – teaching people to tell stories, and teaching them to blog. That’s no small feat for the participants, or for either of us – especially as we’d not worked together before and as the group’s experience in both of these things was really mixed. The thing I was really interested in was communicating how many possibilities there are with story telling, so much more than you can have if we’d collected our stories and printed them up as a magazine. I didn’t want the project to be just about collecting some stories – I wanted it to be about creating a local online writing community that would carry on after the workshop element of the project was over.

Video on Keith's blog
Elaine: Yes, like you say - the blogs have allowed the project to extend beyond the boundaries of the workshop and to build an online community, so that exchange and feedback can happen at any time. As the next workshop will be our last together as a group, it is important that we continue to use the blogs to stay in touch with one another, provide feedback, offer suggestions and publicise our own ideas and activities.
Jenn: And even though I’m stopping work for the summer at the end of this month, I’m looking forward to still being able to join in and read along from home!

A hand-written draft on Margaret's blog
Elaine: I also want to mention something about the final outcome of the project. As we discussed during the last workshop the stories will all form part of an interactive website, which may work a bit like a project I developed in 2007 called Tunnel Visions (www.tunnelvisions.info). The idea of this project was to present multiple experiences of a particular place (a disused railway tunnel), and in this way Out on a Limb is very similar.
As you said, although everyone is writing about the same area, the experiences described in the stories are all very different. Likewise, the way each person has begun to visualise their stories, through photographs, video or hand-written work provides a totally unique interpretation of a particular place. At the same time, as people have started to use the comment system more on the blogs, there is a real sense of collaboration and cross fertilisation between the stories which I think helps to generate a sense of place.
Jenn: I’m really excited by this too. I’ve been watching the development of Barbara’s story idea over the past week – and the way she’s using the non-linear way you can tell and read stories using blogs and websites to play around with multiple alternative endings and invite reader participation in her writing. The stories become live, evolving things then – and I’m looking forward to ways that we can demonstrate this on the finished website.
Elaine: Me too. And another interesting thing about uploading these stories to the website is that the audience could potentially be made

An alternative ending for Barbara's story on her blog
up of people from across the globe as well as on the Wirral. Therefore, for people who don’t know these places, the stories will be the means through which they experience them, and for those who do they might resonate with their experiences of these places, or make the familiar strange. We will talk more about the website in the final workshop and it will be interesting to find out how the project develops in the virtual world!